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erg cz
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Posted - 2015.04.08 08:03:23 -
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Hi.
To be able to use POS in high sec you have to pat not only fuel but also race chart. After your POS run out of fuel, it goes off line. But what is the conciquence of running out of chart? I suggeest it would be not only going off line but also loosing CONCORD protection.
Right now to shoot down abandoned POS in high sec requires war dec the corp. Which costs money and time. I suggest CONCORD will stop protecting POSes, that ran out of charts. So we can shoot it straight away to clear the space. POS without chart payment lost its right to be there, IMHO. |
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Posted - 2015.04.08 10:46:52 -
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James Baboli wrote:I'd rather see a set of warnings over about 30 days that the empire will not tolerate unlicensed starbases, and then at the end of 30 days, active or inactive, it starts getting shot up by the empire police, with all the usual problems of fighting back.
This is also a good option, but I believe some players would appreciate possibility to use abandoned tower for their killboard. |
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Posted - 2015.04.08 12:15:27 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:, but doesn't blow stuff up with NPC's while people are offline,
That never was in any part of original suggestion.
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Posted - 2015.04.09 07:05:18 -
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Donnachadh wrote:, you want a POS to be removed from space because the owners do not keep charters in it. In other words you want the game to do your dirty work for you and remove the POS because you are to cheap and to lazy to do it yourself
I just want to stress once again, that OP is not about "POS to be removed from space" for me. POS should stay there so everyone can shoot it. Just not CONCORD protected any more.
Why I have to pay with charters for my POS to be there, if the guy next door has its POS ready to online any time without paying a single ISK?
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Posted - 2015.04.09 12:53:39 -
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Garnoo wrote:
hisec pos-spots are quite valuable, especially close to market bubs etc, an OP just wanted a find a way to make easy afk (thanks god for sentry drones and t1 laser ammo) ISK...
As a matter of fact I need a spot in high sec / low sec border, so I can reship quickly (no NPC station in that system). And I am no chief in my corp to make WD who ever I want.
Garnoo wrote:
wardecs, lets make it free and
I am not suggesting to make WD free. |
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Posted - 2015.04.09 14:36:01 -
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Donnachadh wrote:erg cz wrote:I just want to stress once again, that OP is not about "POS to be removed from space" for me. POS should stay there so everyone can shoot it. Just not CONCORD protected any more.
Why I have to pay with charters for my POS to be there, if the guy next door has its POS ready to online any time without paying a single ISK?
Interesting you claim now that the OP was not about removing a dead POS from space and yet in the section below which is quoted from your OP you clearly state that you want to be able to "shoot it straight away to clear space" sounds to me like you want to shoot the damned thing. And in this same segment you complain about the time and ISK that it takes to shoot it as well and so my answer to you is still no. WD and shoot it or move on. And in case you missed it from my last post the key to removing Concord protection is called a WD and it only costs 50 mil. erg cz wrote:Right now to shoot down abandoned POS in high sec requires war dec the corp. Which costs money and time. I suggest CONCORD will stop protecting POSes, that ran out of charters. So we can shoot it straight away to clear the space. POS without charter payment lost its right to be there, IMHO.
Those two my statements do not contradict each other. I do not see it fair if I have to pay in charters to use the place at the moon and someone else just occupy the next moon without paying a single ISK. And i do not want CCP or anyone else to remove abandoned POS for me - I will shoot it myself, when I will be ready to replace it with my own POS. I just do not want to bother with some war declaration (I am not a CEO) |
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Posted - 2015.04.10 08:42:05 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Making them salvageable would crash the PI market, they should have to be destroyed one way or another to keep driving demand.
Exactly. And if stupid war dec need is gone - demand will raise up, economy booming, every one happy. ;) |
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Posted - 2015.04.13 07:03:27 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I think if your POS runs out of charters in highsec, CONCORD should disassemble it and move it to a nearby station, and charge you a fee to pay the cops for moving your junk.
In lowsec if you run out of charters, the faction navy should come out and shoot at it...because what else is the point of paying charters out there? I imagine it's a "protection" racket.
You do not need charters in low sec, do you?
And I do not ask for CONCORD to do any action against those abandoned POSes. Merely to stop protect them. Cause I still see it fair, if any POS owner will have to pay charters just as me, regardless to the POS online state. I understand the fuel issue - POS ran out of fuel, it goes offline. But I disagree with charters being nothing more but additional fuel in high sec. Why they are needed in high sec and only in high sec than? Low sec is also imeprial space, just not that protected. |
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Posted - 2015.04.14 12:16:58 -
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Donnachadh wrote:
Like a ship that POS belongs to another player or group of players
Unlike the ship the POS offer a kind of suverenity hold. It hold the place and therefore prevents other players to use that spot.
Donnachadh wrote:
since you can simply avoid the whole issue by moving on to another moon and plant your POS there.
There are high systems with less then 20 moons, where all of them are occupied.
Donnachadh wrote:
No to any form of mini game, no to POS deteriorating over time
Agree, and this was never any part of the OP.
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Posted - 2015.04.16 09:33:17 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
You can use it as long as you are willing to put in the required amount of effort/resources which you clearly don't want to.
I do want to put effort in shooting POS (I do not require CONCORD or empire Navy to shoot it for me) and I do want to put my resources into building just another POS on the same spot.
I just want this to be fair. If player has to pay charters for the place to live, why other player keep it spot without paying? Such ppl called squatter in RL if I am right. |
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Posted - 2015.04.16 15:42:31 -
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Ok, so it seems something is going to happen with POS one way or another. I guess we will have to wait till it comes. |
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:43:23 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:erg cz wrote:Ok, so it seems something is going to happen with POS one way or another. I guess we will have to wait till it comes. Translation : I'd rather possibly wait many month to see what happen to POS than cut a contract with merc to get my POS anchor point.
Wrong. I will make WD as soon as I will need the moon and ready. No problem with that. But I do not see current charter implementation fair, as I already stated. |
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